rogue and the romans had talked about having seen the elephant having been in combat. so don't know if it happens. i made this point, too, it's not just combat. anyone who's ever had a crow skull, and i don't know how i'm sitting here close call it gets caught a glimpse of the aloof and, we are in insides freeze up, time stops, you can't breathe and then it passes and you think, what was that? well, we say that the glimpse at the elephant. happens a lot as a fighter pilot. you get used to it as much as you can, but yeah, that was the first mission over iraq that day, were caught a glimpse and i remember looking at these four, five air missiles coming up off the ground at me and i relist for the first time that this is real, you know, this isn't the range in alice.